Only second in importance to Jesus' life. No, wait, doesn't TOMO claim being Jesus' brother in a very distinct way, quite different from similar claims from your average Christian. I suppose his story is just as important as that of his older brother Jesus. Who knows, TOMO's story may even be more important. After all, Jesus couldn't even finish the job 2,000 years ago, but TOMO is the leading warrior that will take us to the final stages of the establishment of the kingdom of God on Earth, just like Russell and Rutherford brought about the kingdom of God in heaven.
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HEADS UP: Tony the 3rd life story. W15 05/15.
by campaign of hate inhaven't got an electronic copy, or scans.
just a heads up..
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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k
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Very articulate, very intelligent, very knowledgeable. But ended with a weasel's way out of controversy when he defines religion. I was interested in buying his book until Cofty confirmed he is into selling books, promoting himself, and defending B.S. under the guise of an objective scholar.
Thanks Cofty
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New LDC Meeting KH Video
by wifibandit inbeen away from the site for a few days...because i have been busy getting these!!!!!!
(pixel, thank you!
) they did not make it easy, plus technical difficulties.. for the main attraction:.
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In minute 2:17:00 Stephen Lett in his condescending tones explains Isaiah 60:22 and demonstrates how JW's are the chosen ones; they are more populous than many sovereign states. Has anyone told him the size of the major religions, Roman Catholic (150 times the size of JW's), Islam (almost 200 times the size of JW's), Hinduism (120 times the size of JW's) to mention just the biggest? Oh I forgot, secular education is discouraged. -
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New LDC Meeting KH Video
by wifibandit inbeen away from the site for a few days...because i have been busy getting these!!!!!!
(pixel, thank you!
) they did not make it easy, plus technical difficulties.. for the main attraction:.
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new mantra:
rejoice, re-adjust, think in agreement, live peaceably [shut up and obey]
Lots of things to comment on, but what made me stop the video and take notes is how one of the speakers tries to clean up after the governing body embarrassing displays (go to 37:50).
" we know our brothers [in the GB] even when they are frustrated and say things, sometimes they don't really mean it the way it sounds, and we have to make allowance for their frustration as well".
They know (the business people and real leaders behind the WT) that the GB members are a liability.
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Site issues: Dec 27 Update
by Simon inhere's the current status:.
performance improvements have been made to make things slicker.. the "remember me" issue should now be fixed.. sign-in captcha can be affected by ad-blockers so consider disabling those.. sign-in email is case-sensitive - until i update this consider using your forum username instead.. ie stalls on "queued for processing" when posting a topic or reply but the post has been made (just navigate to active or refresh the topic if replying).. i will be working through issues today and contacting anyone who had sign-in issues to check if they still have problems.. many thanks again for your patience while we work through these teething problems..
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never a jw
Either I am a creature of habit or the new format is not as appealing to the user. I like seeing all at once several threads' titles as I did in the home page of the old format. Now I have to do some extra clicks to find what's going on, one thread/topic at a time.
Thank you Simon for your hard work, but I have to voice my opinion. I like the old format better. I am not sure if I will adapt to the new format enough to visit and post as much as I did before. I have my doubts, I had this experience in a different website and I never visited that site again. Not a threat, only feedback
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RNWT Bible Needs to be Revised Again!
by The Searcher ini'll restrain myself from commenting on jw.org's perversion of this scripture - i'll leave that to others.. however, for lurkers and active witnesses here, why not ask one of your local glorious ones to explain how these non-scriptural words found their way into the silver sword, but don't appear in the original greek, or even in the kingdom interlinear.. (2 corinthians 9:13) "through the proof that this relief ministry gives, they glorify god because you are submissive to the good news about the christ, as you publicly declared, and because you are generous in your contribution to them and to all.".
https://www.blueletterbible.org/bible.cfm?b=2co&c=9&t=kjv#s=t_conc_1087013.
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Agree with leaving quietly. The essence of all the translations that I have read is similar to the WT's translation. They added words to emphasize their main goal (preaching). Bad translation, but not in the category of corruption or perversion of scripture quite yet.
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The best book on biblical archaeology I've ever read
by marmot ini'm referring to "the bible unearthed : archaeology's new vision of ancient isreal and the origin of its sacred texts" by israel finkelstein and neil asher silberman.
i think it should be required reading for anyone who deigns to defend the historicity and literal interpretation of the bible.
(i'm looking at you singlecell).
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The book is much better than blindly following the biblical interpretation of fundamentalists religious leaders, but I think is a commercial book designed for the masses with a fair amount of speculation. I enjoyed much more the Introduction to the Hebrew Bible by John J. Collins and the lectures on Introduction to the Old Testament by Yale On Line (free) with professor Christine Hayes (she is very, very good). They take a broader scope (archaeology, Near East religions, paleography, the Bible text itself), and provide explanations that make you feel that you understand a lot better the Bible as a whole, the Bible writers motives, the Bible times and the relation of the Hebrew Bible to other Near Eastern religions.
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Steve Pinker ... evidence on the surprising decline in violence
by digderidoo inthis is an interesting lecture.
one that flies in the face of current jw and i assume most non jw thinking.
evidence shows that when examining history mankind was more violent over the centuries than they were during the 20th and 21st century.
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I study the Bible (old testament) and know it better than most Christians. it's an admirable achievement of the Hebrew/Jewish/Israelites people to keep a long enduring identity that no other group in the history of mankind has ever pulled off. In a historical context it's a book worth studying. But as a moral guide is anticuated, and as a source of divine revelation... well...it amounts to superstition.
I know about Enuma Elish but never read it. I have, however, read the Ugaritic texts. It's all quite similar, it's all loaded with superstition and mixed with history. Regarding Gods and men doing fantastic (literally belonging to fantasy), read the Bible beginning to end: deluge, exodus, Samson, David, Saul, Solomon, Jesus, the apostles, and the main character, Jehovah (the mixture of Canaanite Baal and El). It's all superstition, no better, no worse than the Homer's Iliad or Virgil's Aeneid. Try reading biblical scholarship from highly respected scholars such as Frank Moore Cross, Hebrew Epic and Canaanite Myth.
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Steve Pinker ... evidence on the surprising decline in violence
by digderidoo inthis is an interesting lecture.
one that flies in the face of current jw and i assume most non jw thinking.
evidence shows that when examining history mankind was more violent over the centuries than they were during the 20th and 21st century.
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What did produce the enlightenment? The printing and distribution of the Bible
Maybe. As people got to know the bible they realized what a book of superstition and contradictions that was. Then, that's when great thinkers started turning away from it. Check the views on religion of Diderot and most of the Encyclopedie writers, Voltaire and Rousseau included.
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Steve Pinker ... evidence on the surprising decline in violence
by digderidoo inthis is an interesting lecture.
one that flies in the face of current jw and i assume most non jw thinking.
evidence shows that when examining history mankind was more violent over the centuries than they were during the 20th and 21st century.
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Christianity produced modern science ... Keppler, Nicholas of Cuza, etc.
Similarly, Western legal conceptions.
We have modern science despite Christianity. Without Christianity we would have have built on the achievements of the Greeks and the Romans (the Arabs, the Indians, the Chinese too). Instead, we got Christianity and set us in a stagnating path for a 1,000 years until the Renaissance when the Greeks thought and art were brought back. Almost 2,000 year wasted. Quite pitiful that there are people who are just as superstitious as the civilizations of Bible times.